We know they lied to us about Covid and the vaxx. We know they lied about 9-11. But where did they start lying? There's an assumption here that they didn't lie about the world wars, and so we can draw wisdom from those examples. But if they did lie, we're drawing the wrong conclusions. And that's what my research leads me to suspect.
Hi Tereza. Lovely to hear from you. I'm sure you're right about lying the hoi polloi into war. But either way, surely the sooner people cotton on that something is amiss (like a collectivist takeover) the better?
So nice to hear from you too, Jonathan. Could you define collectivist takeover for me?
You quote Primo Levi twice: "We cannot understand Totalitarianism, but we can and must understand from where it springs, and we must be on our guard...because what happened can happen again...For this reason, it is everyone's duty to reflect on what happened.” and "“Our duty is not just to remember, but to ensure that such horrors can never happen again.”
You state "After a major war, people are very keen that their loved ones should not have died for nothing, and that we learn “never again” lessons from the experience."
What if the truth is that veterans of the world wars not only died for nothing, but died for the wrong side? And that the wrong side are the ones in power today who are telling us what the lessons are? That the victims were really the perpetrators and the so-called perpetrators were the true victims and true holocaust?
Of the 140 Nazi officers tried at Nuremberg, the testicles of all but two were crushed beyond repair, according to independent medical verification. I know you'll ask me for the source and I wish I'd saved it someplace handy, but I promise I'll find it if you would then investigate and question everything you think you know about Nuremberg and the wars.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's 200 Years Together (never translated into English) is often cited to me as the real history of the Bolshevik Jews in Russia. The Wikipedia summary contradicts itself by saying it's been criticized as anti-Semitic and also that it says the Bolshevik Revolution was not funded and led by Jews--both can't be true. I can show you sources on The Red Terror with ample evidence that it was incited by Jews.
It's taken me a long time to desensitize myself from flinching away from the word 'Jew'. It's the only ethnic, religious or political group that can't be named. And therefore can't be considered as an organized entity. Overcoming the deep conditioning that two of your three wise men were instrumental in propagating is key to understanding the past.
'Never again' means not falling for the media propaganda demonizing Germans that got us into the Great War, after Rothschild and the German Jews sold out their homeland for the Balfour Declaration. WWII would never have happened if not for the crushing reparations and horrific things done to Germans. The same propagandists are at it today.
Ah ... I see. Sorry to be slow on the uptake. So one of my examples of collectivist governments was the Nazis, and you're saying they were nothing like as bad as the the other examples nor the common perception. Well you're pushing at an open door here. A good reply would be so long as to be an article - which I've put off long enough, and will get around to soon.
Yes, I realise that Truth is the first casualty of war, and that - given that lies are essential to starting a war - it would be quite surprising if Hitler and the Nazis were the caricatures they are made out to be; that those who started WWII were largely the UK & US, and that Hitler kept trying to avoid war. But I'm afraid I'm not - (although perhaps I should be) - above using people's Pavlovian response to "Nazi" for rhetorical purpose! So, while I agree that Nazi Germany may not be a good example, it doesn't take away the central point and principle, that collectivism is here and is a terrible thing, and people need to wake up to that.
Responding to your points in order ...
In the above article my explanation (which may amount to a definition) is " that is a collectivist government - one that believes society is more important than the individual."
"What if the truth ..." I realise. And the truth is indeed more uncomfortable than most people can bear.
I'm certainly aware that Höss, ic Auschwitz, was tortured, in the way you describe (and by threats to his family) by the British, until he admitted impossible things about what he had done, one result of which was that (if memory serves) the sign in Auschwitz used to read that 4 M died there, but was more recently changed 1.1 M or something. I'm aware that the Bolshevik terror was largely implemented by Jews like Kaganovich, although I assume their rôle in most cases was as "patsies" - what Stalin called "useful idiots" - true believers in the doctrine they were enforcing, but ultimately for the chop. Their involvement does not say anything about the identity of those above them.
I'm aware that the Nuremberg trials were a cynical PR exercise, after getting the PR so badly wrong at the end of WWI, when the Russians spilt the beans about the Sykes-Picot agreement, resulting in general awareness in the 1920s that their loved ones had died in The Great War for empire rather than principle, as I spelt out in the footnotes to "What's Wrong With The Greater Good".
I've noticed how people shy away from saying "Jews", preferring to say "Jewish people". (I also came across a professional "debunker" who was ignorant of "Jewry", labeling it a word used by anti-semites)!
"Never again" - quite so.
"came to lightly" - me too!
I'll read your article (which I may already have read). I intend to write something I suspect to be similar.
I read Solzhenitsyn's "200 Year Together" about a decade ago, and waited impatiently for the unofficial English version to be completed. I have a complete English version in 2 files, if you are interested, translated unofficially from the French edition, as I remember. I once had a go at reading Mein Kampf, thinking one should do so if you want to think of yourself as well-informed, and able to explain to skin-heads with swastika tatoos where they are wrong. I got about half-way through: apart from the turgidity, there was the nagging doubt about getting a reliable edition. Are you aware of one?
As I said in "What's Wrong With The Greater Good",
"It’s likely there are some details in this article that you disagree with, or even some that are just plain wrong: but don’t let that put you off taking in the main point of the article, which is surely right!"
i.e. collectivism is wrong; and a collectivist government is lethal - six times more lethal than warfare, in the C20.
G Edward Griffin explains collectivism well. (Unsurprising since he has spent about 60 years trying to wake people up. He is the momentum behind "Red Pill Universities").
Nevertheless, you'll find Hitler is quoted as saying "Society's needs come before the individual’s needs" which is, indeed, the collectivist doctrine. (I can't tell you whether he really did say that). Whilst the Nazis may not have been as bad as many suppose, Nazi doctors and nurses surely did practice eugenics (as they did in the US at the time), and I'd rather not live in such a society ... as well as live through the likely bloodshed and famine.
I see what you mean about Levi and Mayer propagating the myths, and with Mayer I would agree with you to an extent. His confusion over what he is now supposed to believe and what he had believed at the time is apparent, though.
Levi, as far as I can see, is commenting honestly about what really did happen to him. It's his observations on the appalling conditions he suffered, that Man can inflict on Man. (And those were to a large extent due to the "total war" destruction of Germany by the Allies). He does for example (if my 50 year memory is correct) make clear that often the worst kapos were Jews. People really are capable of doing appalling things if the situation is desperate enough. It also looks - as I indicated - as if he may have resisted pressure to describe gas chambers. I think they are not mentioned in his many books, and in the scientific paper, much later, where they are referred to, a) it was co-written with someone else; and b) shortly before it was published he died from falling from his apartment stairs: hard to know if pushed, tripped or jumped. The latter seems unlikely given his record up till then.
Thanks very much for your diligent reply and research. You're right: wars result from people believing lies. That's a point I'm continually trying to make; and perhaps I should be more choosy about the rhetoric, if I'd like to think of myself as a man of principle.
You say "But if they did lie, we're drawing the wrong conclusions". Well, yes: people do draw SOME wrong conclusions - but not all of them, even from the mainstream narrative.
War is, indeed, terrible.
They are started with lies.
People should be careful about what they believe. *
Collectivism is a big mistake.
PS. I've just finished your article and watched the videos in it. Great stuff: well done!
* Personally I don't go in for "believing" at all, as I explained in "Coping with Disagreement and Being Wrong".
I'm happy you enjoy them. Memes became my mission in life when they were chasing me around with a needle. I figured it was the most effective way I could resist.
If you can think of better ways, or have advice for the memes, let me know.
Agreed. And yet I think that quotation sheds light, even though I may not agree with every detail. As was said, even the "evil" people feel themselves to be acting for the good?
I haven't read this all but thrilled to see a post from you - and I will - read it all closely. I've skimmed enough to know - as usual - the content is worth reading closely.
We know they lied to us about Covid and the vaxx. We know they lied about 9-11. But where did they start lying? There's an assumption here that they didn't lie about the world wars, and so we can draw wisdom from those examples. But if they did lie, we're drawing the wrong conclusions. And that's what my research leads me to suspect.
Hi Tereza. Lovely to hear from you. I'm sure you're right about lying the hoi polloi into war. But either way, surely the sooner people cotton on that something is amiss (like a collectivist takeover) the better?
So nice to hear from you too, Jonathan. Could you define collectivist takeover for me?
You quote Primo Levi twice: "We cannot understand Totalitarianism, but we can and must understand from where it springs, and we must be on our guard...because what happened can happen again...For this reason, it is everyone's duty to reflect on what happened.” and "“Our duty is not just to remember, but to ensure that such horrors can never happen again.”
You state "After a major war, people are very keen that their loved ones should not have died for nothing, and that we learn “never again” lessons from the experience."
What if the truth is that veterans of the world wars not only died for nothing, but died for the wrong side? And that the wrong side are the ones in power today who are telling us what the lessons are? That the victims were really the perpetrators and the so-called perpetrators were the true victims and true holocaust?
Of the 140 Nazi officers tried at Nuremberg, the testicles of all but two were crushed beyond repair, according to independent medical verification. I know you'll ask me for the source and I wish I'd saved it someplace handy, but I promise I'll find it if you would then investigate and question everything you think you know about Nuremberg and the wars.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's 200 Years Together (never translated into English) is often cited to me as the real history of the Bolshevik Jews in Russia. The Wikipedia summary contradicts itself by saying it's been criticized as anti-Semitic and also that it says the Bolshevik Revolution was not funded and led by Jews--both can't be true. I can show you sources on The Red Terror with ample evidence that it was incited by Jews.
It's taken me a long time to desensitize myself from flinching away from the word 'Jew'. It's the only ethnic, religious or political group that can't be named. And therefore can't be considered as an organized entity. Overcoming the deep conditioning that two of your three wise men were instrumental in propagating is key to understanding the past.
'Never again' means not falling for the media propaganda demonizing Germans that got us into the Great War, after Rothschild and the German Jews sold out their homeland for the Balfour Declaration. WWII would never have happened if not for the crushing reparations and horrific things done to Germans. The same propagandists are at it today.
This isn't something I came to lightly. It's been a long process of discovery: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/my-hitler-journey. Thanks for listening, Jonathan.
Ah ... I see. Sorry to be slow on the uptake. So one of my examples of collectivist governments was the Nazis, and you're saying they were nothing like as bad as the the other examples nor the common perception. Well you're pushing at an open door here. A good reply would be so long as to be an article - which I've put off long enough, and will get around to soon.
Yes, I realise that Truth is the first casualty of war, and that - given that lies are essential to starting a war - it would be quite surprising if Hitler and the Nazis were the caricatures they are made out to be; that those who started WWII were largely the UK & US, and that Hitler kept trying to avoid war. But I'm afraid I'm not - (although perhaps I should be) - above using people's Pavlovian response to "Nazi" for rhetorical purpose! So, while I agree that Nazi Germany may not be a good example, it doesn't take away the central point and principle, that collectivism is here and is a terrible thing, and people need to wake up to that.
Responding to your points in order ...
In the above article my explanation (which may amount to a definition) is " that is a collectivist government - one that believes society is more important than the individual."
"What if the truth ..." I realise. And the truth is indeed more uncomfortable than most people can bear.
I'm certainly aware that Höss, ic Auschwitz, was tortured, in the way you describe (and by threats to his family) by the British, until he admitted impossible things about what he had done, one result of which was that (if memory serves) the sign in Auschwitz used to read that 4 M died there, but was more recently changed 1.1 M or something. I'm aware that the Bolshevik terror was largely implemented by Jews like Kaganovich, although I assume their rôle in most cases was as "patsies" - what Stalin called "useful idiots" - true believers in the doctrine they were enforcing, but ultimately for the chop. Their involvement does not say anything about the identity of those above them.
I'm aware that the Nuremberg trials were a cynical PR exercise, after getting the PR so badly wrong at the end of WWI, when the Russians spilt the beans about the Sykes-Picot agreement, resulting in general awareness in the 1920s that their loved ones had died in The Great War for empire rather than principle, as I spelt out in the footnotes to "What's Wrong With The Greater Good".
I've noticed how people shy away from saying "Jews", preferring to say "Jewish people". (I also came across a professional "debunker" who was ignorant of "Jewry", labeling it a word used by anti-semites)!
"Never again" - quite so.
"came to lightly" - me too!
I'll read your article (which I may already have read). I intend to write something I suspect to be similar.
I read Solzhenitsyn's "200 Year Together" about a decade ago, and waited impatiently for the unofficial English version to be completed. I have a complete English version in 2 files, if you are interested, translated unofficially from the French edition, as I remember. I once had a go at reading Mein Kampf, thinking one should do so if you want to think of yourself as well-informed, and able to explain to skin-heads with swastika tatoos where they are wrong. I got about half-way through: apart from the turgidity, there was the nagging doubt about getting a reliable edition. Are you aware of one?
As I said in "What's Wrong With The Greater Good",
"It’s likely there are some details in this article that you disagree with, or even some that are just plain wrong: but don’t let that put you off taking in the main point of the article, which is surely right!"
i.e. collectivism is wrong; and a collectivist government is lethal - six times more lethal than warfare, in the C20.
G Edward Griffin explains collectivism well. (Unsurprising since he has spent about 60 years trying to wake people up. He is the momentum behind "Red Pill Universities").
https://g-edward-griffin.aweb.page/p/6aa8c83b-e074-4d45-a899-c75e28acecd6
G Edward Griffin Collectivism vs Individualism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omwwuFS4NF0&app=desktop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqmBesHL_Es&app=desktop
and see also about 28 minutes into https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VqMph3iI1Q&app=desktop
Also illuminating - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4vTHwvioZ4&app=desktop
Nevertheless, you'll find Hitler is quoted as saying "Society's needs come before the individual’s needs" which is, indeed, the collectivist doctrine. (I can't tell you whether he really did say that). Whilst the Nazis may not have been as bad as many suppose, Nazi doctors and nurses surely did practice eugenics (as they did in the US at the time), and I'd rather not live in such a society ... as well as live through the likely bloodshed and famine.
I see what you mean about Levi and Mayer propagating the myths, and with Mayer I would agree with you to an extent. His confusion over what he is now supposed to believe and what he had believed at the time is apparent, though.
Levi, as far as I can see, is commenting honestly about what really did happen to him. It's his observations on the appalling conditions he suffered, that Man can inflict on Man. (And those were to a large extent due to the "total war" destruction of Germany by the Allies). He does for example (if my 50 year memory is correct) make clear that often the worst kapos were Jews. People really are capable of doing appalling things if the situation is desperate enough. It also looks - as I indicated - as if he may have resisted pressure to describe gas chambers. I think they are not mentioned in his many books, and in the scientific paper, much later, where they are referred to, a) it was co-written with someone else; and b) shortly before it was published he died from falling from his apartment stairs: hard to know if pushed, tripped or jumped. The latter seems unlikely given his record up till then.
Thanks very much for your diligent reply and research. You're right: wars result from people believing lies. That's a point I'm continually trying to make; and perhaps I should be more choosy about the rhetoric, if I'd like to think of myself as a man of principle.
You say "But if they did lie, we're drawing the wrong conclusions". Well, yes: people do draw SOME wrong conclusions - but not all of them, even from the mainstream narrative.
War is, indeed, terrible.
They are started with lies.
People should be careful about what they believe. *
Collectivism is a big mistake.
PS. I've just finished your article and watched the videos in it. Great stuff: well done!
* Personally I don't go in for "believing" at all, as I explained in "Coping with Disagreement and Being Wrong".
Thank you for this! The vaxx mandates were the worst crime against humanity ever. It still astounds me that so many people went along with them.
Thanks Patrick. I'm still enjoying YOUR amazing diligent output.
I'm happy you enjoy them. Memes became my mission in life when they were chasing me around with a needle. I figured it was the most effective way I could resist.
If you can think of better ways, or have advice for the memes, let me know.
Wonderful article! Reason alone will not lead to proper action, however, but realization that we are made in the image of God. Thanks for your work.
Agreed. And yet I think that quotation sheds light, even though I may not agree with every detail. As was said, even the "evil" people feel themselves to be acting for the good?
I haven't read this all but thrilled to see a post from you - and I will - read it all closely. I've skimmed enough to know - as usual - the content is worth reading closely.
Regards,
BK
Thanks Ken. Apologies for the hiatus!
No apologies needed at all - I'm literally happy to see a post from you!
Warm Regards,
Ken