Feb 10, 2023·edited Feb 10, 2023Liked by Jonathan Reece
And then they will go extinct from the gene pool (by SADS or impaired fertility), and only those individuals with deviant instinct will continue the lineage? It seems so. Or, is there a phase or mode in which it would be evolutionarily appropriate to be analyzing the situation? For instance, the leader that the group follows. Is that leader only acting from gut instinct? Doesn't leader material maybe have more analytical capacities that follower material? Is it just evolutionary pressure on correct vs wrong gut reactions of leaders (respective group exiting gene pool together with leader that had wrong gut instinct), or is there a place for analysis and reflection already in primordial groups?
I've always been a sigma/lone wolf, I've never understood group think but I get it's purpose as I'm sure Brett should since he's an evolutionary biologist. I havnt watched his stuff for a long time, is he just playing devils advocate?
See what you think. Quite a recent podcast of his, interviewing Mattias Desmet. Sounds to me like he's fishing for an explanation, and he thinks it's counter-evolutionary. But I'm probably wrong!
To elaborate, I think the value of defiance in authority is increasing exponentially because it is obvious so-called authority seems not to have the interest of the "peasants" in their mind at heart.
So, any thinking peasant, with a mind sharpened, recognizes that authority needs to a learn a lesson and sadly it seems the lesson learned is going to be a hard one, but peasants don't mind that because we are used to life's hard knocks.
Regardless, blind obedience is a recipe for death of the peasants and truly that raises my ire to levels that I can't even type.
My theory as stated elsewhere is that during the Ice Ages (one of many that have occurred in human history), that to defy leadership was a recipe for disaster, so some of that got "programmed" so to speak both genetically and in our relations with each other.
But we are no longer "hunter gatherers" and the time for Ice-Age thinking amongst those in the community is rapidly coming to an end.
i think the missing issue here is we were much smaller groups back then, deposing a bad leader was just a case of someone like me gutting the bad leader. now we have 'polite society' and a goon squad/jail
I think you touch upon the critical aspect of the way we are "wired".....most folks have a hard time differentiating between "short-term" and "long-term", but not all are confused by this, and then amongs the "all" of them are a few who consider themselves beyond reproach and they connive long-term plans of harm......
Oh, how WRONG they are.
Those of us can sense such nefariousness, we lay low for a long time until we got our facts correct, and then we STRIKE.
We strike in defense with Justified Retribution.
Simple as humble house pie.
Just to belabor this....we strike with conviction, resolute awareness, and determination solid upon foundation, and we are RUTHLESS.
That may be true, but the fact of the matter is it was risky and frowned upon for anybody to challenge leadership when the whole community was just struggling to survive - a very risky endeavor for sure, and that I why I think inherently there is hesitancy to challenge leadership. But at some point in time, facts are facts, and the longer folks refuse to accept the harm caused, the greater the harm will be for all involved.
We basically are not hunter-gatherers anymore even if many want to hold on to that aspect of living....which is laudable. I believe there still can be individual liberty, even if we are no longer hunting and gathering day after day just to survive.
And then they will go extinct from the gene pool (by SADS or impaired fertility), and only those individuals with deviant instinct will continue the lineage? It seems so. Or, is there a phase or mode in which it would be evolutionarily appropriate to be analyzing the situation? For instance, the leader that the group follows. Is that leader only acting from gut instinct? Doesn't leader material maybe have more analytical capacities that follower material? Is it just evolutionary pressure on correct vs wrong gut reactions of leaders (respective group exiting gene pool together with leader that had wrong gut instinct), or is there a place for analysis and reflection already in primordial groups?
Good points!
Yes, the leader still needs to feel different from the mass, and think.
There is currently considerable selection pressure against those who don't think for themselves right now, with excess deaths in the vaccinated.
Let's hope the parasite class don't have "plans" for the independently minded. (Seems quite likely)!
Well, parasites can only go so far, and I have faith in human immunity based on lessons learned over time.
I've always been a sigma/lone wolf, I've never understood group think but I get it's purpose as I'm sure Brett should since he's an evolutionary biologist. I havnt watched his stuff for a long time, is he just playing devils advocate?
See what you think. Quite a recent podcast of his, interviewing Mattias Desmet. Sounds to me like he's fishing for an explanation, and he thinks it's counter-evolutionary. But I'm probably wrong!
To elaborate, I think the value of defiance in authority is increasing exponentially because it is obvious so-called authority seems not to have the interest of the "peasants" in their mind at heart.
So, any thinking peasant, with a mind sharpened, recognizes that authority needs to a learn a lesson and sadly it seems the lesson learned is going to be a hard one, but peasants don't mind that because we are used to life's hard knocks.
Regardless, blind obedience is a recipe for death of the peasants and truly that raises my ire to levels that I can't even type.
Dear Ray:
My theory as stated elsewhere is that during the Ice Ages (one of many that have occurred in human history), that to defy leadership was a recipe for disaster, so some of that got "programmed" so to speak both genetically and in our relations with each other.
But we are no longer "hunter gatherers" and the time for Ice-Age thinking amongst those in the community is rapidly coming to an end.
I pray for peace.
Ken
i think the missing issue here is we were much smaller groups back then, deposing a bad leader was just a case of someone like me gutting the bad leader. now we have 'polite society' and a goon squad/jail
Yes: well adapted to small groups with short-lived acute threats.
I think you touch upon the critical aspect of the way we are "wired".....most folks have a hard time differentiating between "short-term" and "long-term", but not all are confused by this, and then amongs the "all" of them are a few who consider themselves beyond reproach and they connive long-term plans of harm......
Oh, how WRONG they are.
Those of us can sense such nefariousness, we lay low for a long time until we got our facts correct, and then we STRIKE.
We strike in defense with Justified Retribution.
Simple as humble house pie.
Just to belabor this....we strike with conviction, resolute awareness, and determination solid upon foundation, and we are RUTHLESS.
BK
Ruthless and precise to be clear....
Precision to respond directly to the few nefarious ones is most critical.
Have a blessed day,
BK
That may be true, but the fact of the matter is it was risky and frowned upon for anybody to challenge leadership when the whole community was just struggling to survive - a very risky endeavor for sure, and that I why I think inherently there is hesitancy to challenge leadership. But at some point in time, facts are facts, and the longer folks refuse to accept the harm caused, the greater the harm will be for all involved.
We basically are not hunter-gatherers anymore even if many want to hold on to that aspect of living....which is laudable. I believe there still can be individual liberty, even if we are no longer hunting and gathering day after day just to survive.
I have noticed that some have a desire to appeal even an anonymous authority figure than to have a reasonable discussion with someone that they know.
This is definitely a gene trait that is taking the turn down a cul-de-sac of road of evolution.
I know such a person
Mm. There's a lot of it about!